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I am allowed to reach out to people who are affiliated with the topic I am writing about?

Am I allowed to reach out to the people who are affiliated with a topic I am writing about for more sources and information? The topic is a piece of video media from the 1990's. The cast had a lot of subcultural notability in the 80's/90's and were features in subculture magazines (skateboarding in particular) so I'm wondering if they know where to get more sources about the video they were in. No offense to them but I don't think any of the cast members or anybody else involved would meet the qualifications for notability in the present nor would have in the past honestly. (I'd be seeking them out through social media.) WindowColorCenter (talk) 03:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. Wikipedia acts as a repository for verifiable sources. Social media accounts are not reliable or particularly reliable. Wrosh (talk) 03:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wrosh of course, it's true we don't use posts on social media as sources, as they are not reliable sources. Here we have @WindowColorCenter asking if it's okay to "reach out" to someone, asking if that person can point to a reliable source. That seems okay to me — unless you can point me to a policy that suggests otherwise? MatthewDalhousie (talk) 03:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wrosh: That's mostly true. Social media accounts can be used for some things, but their scope of use is very limited, and they'd be considered primary sources, which won't help in establishing a subject's wikinotability. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wrosh, thank you. I studied up on the practicalities of sources before I'd started writing and knew to refrain from using them as sources as well as blogs as those as primary sources, from what I'd understood could not be used no problem and in any case thank you for the reminder. @MatthewDalhousie is right is what I had been asking about with the article. More clearly I had been meaning to say if it was alright to reach out to people who had been involved with the media on their own social media accounts which is how I would attempt to reach them and ask them for any sources they have. Thank you both! I'm glad I am able to reach out to others to ask as part of the research I am attempting to do. WindowColorCenter (talk) 20:12, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, WindowColorCenter, and welcome to the Teahouse. Certainly you can reach out to people involved and ask if they can point you to reliable independent sources|, as MatthewDalhousie says. Wrosh and Tenryuu seem to be answering a different question from the one you asked. ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi im new here. Just a question on how to edit.

How do I add a subpage? STARTERuser (talk) 06:06, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@STARTERuser: Subpages are not used in article space, and Wikipedia is not the place to publish pages about yourself and your personal interests, it's the place to help build and improve the encyclopedia. Fabrickator (talk) 08:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok Thank you. STARTERuser (talk) 08:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@STARTERuser@FabrickatorWell yeah, but many users have subpages in their use space for things like award and stuff. If you wanted to do that, just go to User:STARTERUser/Something and it will tell you to make that page. Just make sure it follows the rules. (Fabricator and other hosts, feel free to strike this out if it’s wrong.) GoldRomean (talk) 11:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Subpages might be helpful. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 11:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GoldRomean@CanonNi Certainly your observations are accurate, but given the context, I suspect that my comment is more appropriate. Fabrickator (talk) 14:30, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fabrickator Well, I wouldn't say that, since the user has created this, in addition to a few other subpages in their userspace. GoldRomean (talk) 16:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GoldRomean The things that were added happened after I made my comment. While he's made himself a "wall" for awards, there's nothing on those pages to suggest that he's here to improve the encyclopedia. Fabrickator (talk) 18:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fabrickator Fair; so far they haven't edited a single mainspace article yet. And that's probably more important that working on user subpages. I just don't think it's necessarily correct to discourage new users from making subpages. Well anyway, I feel like the question's been answered, as the user knows how to make subpages now, and this conversation is veering toward an unnecessary argument, so I believe it's wise for us to end this and for me to politely withdraw myself from this conversation. It was good meeting you. See you around! Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 20:39, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you. — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬✏️ 21:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Linking references to draft, Jepmidiyel

How do I link references to my draft, Jepmidiyel? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zion KDP A.K.A La Miship (talkcontribs) 13:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Zion KDP A.K.A La Miship and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read WP:REFB. Shantavira|feed me 13:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I've changed Shantavira's link to WP:RFB to WP:REFB, wkich is doubtless what was meant. Deor (talk) 14:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Shantavira: Please read WP:WTF.[Humor]

If you use abbreviations all the time, you risk forgetting what the expansion actually is, and might say something you don't actually mean: e.g., you refer to WP:FORK, meaning the short version of WP:CONTENTFORK – but it links to WP:Mirrors and forks.

jlwoodwa (talk) 04:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

new user page translation

I am a new user and I want to translate a Japanese page to English, but Wikipedia does not permit me to do so, what should I do? Maryam.mgs (talk) 13:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Maryam.mgs, welcome to the Teahouse. Anyone can translate articles from other language Wikipedias to English, as long as they follow the guidelines for content attribution. There is a page that provides information on this: Help:Translation. Since you are a new user and do not have many edits, the specific use of the Content Translation Tool is not allowed until you have 500 edits and have been a member for 1 month. Reconrabbit 14:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maryam.mgs, The short answer is: translate it yourself, as long as it is on Japanese Wikipedia, and forget about the Content Translation Tool. I was going to suggest you start by creating a sandbox page, User:Maryam.mgs/sandbox, but it looks like you have already started an article there about "Kyoichi Tanaka", and then I noticed you also created Draft:Kyoichi Tanaka as well. I assume that is the topic you wish to translate?
I found a Japanese article at ja:田中恭一 about a Japanese businessman involved with a contact lens company, so I assume that is the article you are translating. If so, you can keep on translating it, just be aware that Wikipedia's Terms of use requires that all translations from other Wikipedias be attributed by a statement in the edit summary; see WP:TFOLWP for how to word this. Looking at the history of the Draft, it looks like there is a brief attribution statement on the initial edit which probably suffices, so you can just carry on translating. Mathglot (talk) 03:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Mathglot
Yes, That's true. I want to write a page about Kyoichi Tanaka.
So now, I am translating directly. but I want the page to be shown as the second language of the japanese page. Now, in my edit, in the language part, it shows only one language and it is considered as independent page. How can I link the japanese and the english pages. Maryam.mgs (talk) 08:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The pages are linked through Wikidata. Once the English page is published (no longer a draft), it will be possible to add it to the list of Wikipedia entries on this page: wikidata:Q11575551. MOst of the time this is done by people patrolling new pages or bots so it is not usually something you have to worry about. Reconrabbit 13:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Reconrabbit for the explanation.
Even if the english version of the page is not exactly the same as the japanese version (more detailed than the japanese version)?
Thank you Maryam.mgs (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is correct. It would be impossible for every article to be the same across different languages anyway, since it is discouraged to use machine translation. Also, different sources may be used in different languages. As an example, the English article on Narita Brian is a stub, and it uses the Los Angeles Times as a source. The Japanese article does not use this source, and it is a much longer Featured Article. Reconrabbit 14:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the info. It is useful Maryam.mgs (talk) 08:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maryam.mgs, I have made a number of improvements to your Draft, tagged some issues inline, and started a Talk page to go into further detail. Much remains to be done, and at this point, I think that discussion of improvements to your Draft and further questions should move to the Draft talk page. Feel free to respond to the existing discussion there, or start new discussion sections with new questions. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 18:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing my company's Wikipedia page

I work for the company Ontotext, and the Wikipedia page for an Ontotext product https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontotext_GraphDB has not been edited since a few years before I joined. I understand why Wikipedia doesn't want company employees adding marketing material about their companies to Wikidata, but I would just like to update the dates and release numbers on the page and maybe remove some out-of-date bits. Is that considered kosher for a company employee? Bobdc (talk) 14:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi bobdc, I'd suggest making a request on the article's talk page. Instructions for doing so can be found at Wikipedia:Edit requests. -- D'n'B-t -- 14:53, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bobdc. First, make the mandatory Paid contributions disclosure. Then, use the formal Edit request procedure at the article's talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 14:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Cullen328 and D'n'B-t! it's good to know that there is a specific procedure to follow. I'm going wait until after the product's next release instead of requesting an update now and then another one in a few weeks. Bobdc (talk) 20:44, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

question about a draft

I am hoping to get some direction, I was told that it would benefit me greatly if I would create myself an author page and a WIKI page, now I have a draft that was declined by Zingarese, hope I have figured out how to reach out to that particular person but I would love some direction on what I need to change in order to get my page published, I can send my email address if that would be helpful but not on a public forum, thank you! @Zingarese Author Bekka Scott (talk) 19:09, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have misunderstood what Wikipedia is, Wikipedia doesn't host "author pages" we have articles on notable people see the relevant criteria at WP:NWRITER. Theroadislong (talk) 19:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP, however, does host userpage profiles so long as said material relates in some way to users' activity, tenure, and/or goals hereon. Note that userpages cannot be used as ads/promotional tools/spam bait, social profiles, forum threads, or personal web pages; there are other avenues for the likes of those. As for users who have their own official articles, WP:Notable Wikipedians is your go-to. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 22:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It also appears that a significant portion (everything but 'early life') was copied from a website with a copyright notice. If the subject is notable (which it doesn't appear based on the two links provided so far), the content will need to be basically entirely rewritten to not be a copy of another website (or any copyrighted source). -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 19:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was told by my agent to post one since I am an up and coming author. I didn't copy and paste anything to the page, I wrote it myself off the cuff. 72.222.81.23 (talk) 11:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft has been Speedy deleted for copyright infringement. Please read WP:AUTO before considering trying again. David notMD (talk) 22:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC) David notMD (talk) 22:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Almost) EVERYTHING IS THE INFOBOX!!!1!

Basically, I am attempting to merge USS Wadsworth (FFG-9) with ORP Generał Tadeusz Kościuszko. I made an edit (https://www.mdata.vn/w/index.php?lang=en&title=ORP_Genera%C5%82_Tadeusz_Ko%C5%9Bciuszko&oldid=1230123249) on the latter article with a lot of the text from the former, with the infobox from the former as well. When I uploaded the edit though, I noticed something weird: The infobox was at the bottom of the page. I decided to open the edited article in the editor and I saw something horrifying: the infobox was somehow containing all the text (not within itself, but rather just as one whole lump, if that makes any sense). I reverted the edit in response to this.

What exactly did I do wrong here? Commanderbuzzard (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Commanderbuzzard, welcome to the Teahouse. I don't use VisualEditor so I don't know how it may have happened but a table end |} was missing.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 20:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Takahue cemetery

there was no information on my home community cemetery, I contacted the person that runs it. No one knows how to put the correct information in. I tried but there was only room to put her phone number. The local library found me a link which I also inserted. I am not happy that someone with no knowledge of the area can simply put a Google road map photo there! Kaipaua (talk) 21:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kaipaua, in Wikipedia, anyone who scrupulously and intelligently bases their edits on reliable sources, which they clearly cite, may edit any article. -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you can demonstrate that Takahue cemetery is notable (which I doubt) then it might merit a mention in Wikipedia. Shantavira|feed me 09:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I be able to edit semi-protected pages?

I am not yet an admin as of June 20, 2024 (date I posted this). My goal is to make 10 edits/day. [After 1 day, do I get autoconfirmed?]

No, I never vandalized a page before. 

I am not able to revert edits yet. As of June 20, 2024, of course.

Did I vandalize a page before or not?  Lateruniverse (talk) 21:57, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lateruniverse, if you're sure that you "never vandalized a page before", it's odd that you then ask "Did I vandalize a page before or not?" You seem very confused. Suggestion: Turn off your computer or phone and do something else for a few hours. (Sleep, perhaps.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:15, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My Article Keeps Declined

Hi,

My article submission for "Rology" was recently declined with feedback stating that it reads more like an advertisement and lacks multiple published sources that are in-depth, reliable, secondary, and strictly independent of the subject. I've made revisions to address these concerns, and I would like some guidance to ensure my article meets Wikipedia's standards.

Here are the changes I've implemented:

  1. Neutral Tone: Revised the language to remove promotional tone and ensure a neutral point of view.
  2. References: Included a wider range of references from independent and reliable sources such as FDA Database, Disrupt Africa, Arab News, MIT Solve, WHO, Forbes, Medical Device Network, and Diagnostic Imaging.
  3. Detailed Information: Added more detailed information about Rology's history, services, impact, and partnerships based on verifiable facts.

Could you please review the revised draft below and provide specific feedback on how to further improve it to meet Wikipedia's guidelines? Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

draft

DRAFT

Rology is an FDA-cleared. AI-assisted teleradiology platform founded in 2017, and headquartered in Cairo, Egypt, with offices in Kenya and Saudi Arabia. It aims to address the shortage of radiologists and improve the accessibility and quality of radiological services, particularly in the Middle East and Africa (MEA) region

History and Development

Rology was established to bridge the gap between the demand for radiology services and the limited supply of qualified radiologists. By leveraging artificial intelligence (AI) and a network of subspecialized radiologists, Rology says it provides timely and accurate radiology reports to healthcare providers. In 2023, Rology secured the FDA 510(k) clearance for its teleradiology platform, marking it as the first AI-assisted teleradiology platform to receive such approval, according to Rology's analysis.

Services and Features

Rology's platform facilitates the electronic transmission of medical images such as X-rays, CT scans, and MRIs for interpretation by radiologists worldwide based on their licenses. Key features of the platform include:

  • Automated Workflow: Automatic upload and routing of medical images, reducing the workload on general radiologists and speeding up the diagnostic process.
  • AI Matching: The platform uses AI to match each case with the most suitable available radiologist based on subspecialty and availability.
  • DICOM Viewer: Rology developed a zero-footprint AI-assisted DICOM Viewer and reporting tool to be used by radiologists to interpret the scans.
  • Quality Assurance: The platform incorporates AI-based tools for computer-aided detection, and automated reporting and review, enhancing diagnostic accuracy and reducing turnaround times.

Impact and Reach

Rology said it has served over 150 healthcare providers across 9 countries, and delivered radiology reports for over 657,832 patients till October 2023. The platform benefits underserved areas, with a substantial portion of scans catering to primary care settings and low-income demographics.

Partnerships and Collaborations

Rology has formed strategic partnerships to enhance its offerings and expand its reach. In 2023, it acquired Arkan United, a Saudi-licensed teleradiology provider, and secured an investment from the Philips Foundation to support its mission of democratizing access to healthcare.


Sample: Rology has formed strategic partnerships to enhance its offerings and expand its reach. What, if anything, does this mean? -- Hoary (talk) 23:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
References
  1. "FDA 510(k) Clearance - K231385" (PDF). FDA Database. September 20, 2023.
  2. "Egyptian e-health startup Rology closes pre-Series A funding round". Disrupt Africa. April 19, 2022.
  3. "Rology brings innovative teleradiology solutions to Saudi Arabia". Arab News. June 17, 2023.
  4. "HEALTH IN FRAGILE CONTEXTS CHALLENGE - Rology - MIT-Solve". MIT-Solve. September 6, 2023.
  5. "WHO Database: Rology". WHO. June 30, 2022.
  6. "How Can AI Help More People Access Radiology In Kenya And Egypt?". Forbes. Feb 14, 2024.
  7. "Rology secures FDA 510(k) clearance for teleradiology platform". Medical Device Network. October 5, 2023.
  8. "Rology Earns the First FDA Clearance for a 2-sided and On-demand Teleradiology Platform". Rology. October 2, 2023.
  9. "Health startup Rology raises undisclosed pre-series A funding + Kemitt launches B2B marketplace". Enterprise. 14 April 2022.
  10. "FDA Clears Emerging AI-Enabled Teleradiology Platform". Diagnostic Imaging. October 4, 2023.
  11. "Rology - Solver Spotlight". MIT-Solve. September 22, 2023.
  12. "Philips Foundation sets out plans to ramp up collaboration with social entrepreneurs". Philips Foundation. November 9, 2023.

Mahbarakat2018 (talk) 22:41, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this draft written by any ChatBot technology such as ChatGPT/Bing chat? Ca talk to me! 23:38, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It just improved the writing of some sentences. Mahbarakat2018 (talk) 18:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ChatGPT likes to write non-neutral, promotional sentences, so make sure to double check its suggestions. Ca talk to me! 06:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mahbarakat2018 For a start, your references are much too vague. How can anyone find those to check them? Please read WP:REFB on how to format references. Shantavira|feed me 09:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mahbarakat2018 So, for example, your reference #10 should be formatted as: Hall, Jeff (4 October 2023). "FDA Clears Emerging AI-Enabled Teleradiology Platform". diagnosticimaging.com. Retrieved 21 June 2024. Note that, like many others you use, it is based on a press release/interview with someone from the company and hence is not independent. That means it cannot help demonstrate that the company is wikinotable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What other sources you find accepted so I can understand the criteria? Mahbarakat2018 (talk) 18:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
You need to make sure that almost all your sources meet the triple criteria in 42 - in particular, nothing at all which is derived from the company (such as press releases) is of any use. ColinFine (talk) 21:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Issues with CCSDS page on Wikipedia

I'm a long time user of Wikipedia, and contribute financially but not with words (so far). I'm also one of the leaders in the CCSDS organization and have noticed that the Wiki page is incomplete and somewhat biased. The link is Consultative Committee for Space Data Systems. I'd like to fix these issues. What is the best way to proceed? LotsOfStrings (talk) 23:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LotsOfStrings: Welcome to the Teahouse. For one, you must disclose that you have a conflict of interest with the subject in question, preferably on your user page. Second, you should use the article's talk page at Talk:Consultative Committee for Space Data Systems and submit an edit request of what exactly you want to change and a reliable source that backs your proposed change. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that information. I’ll update my user profile. Since CCSDS is a consensus organization I could even have the governing body “bless” the edits. I assume Wikipedia wants accuracy and that’s how we get it. I also believe that there’s room for differences of opinion, but I’m most interested in facts. Right? LotsOfStrings (talk) 15:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since CCSDS is a consensus organization I could even have the governing body “bless” the edits. I assume Wikipedia wants accuracy and that’s how we get it.
That is something you don't want to do. While it could potentially be used as a primary source, you may only use it for things that are not contentious (more info at WP:ABOUTSELF). Ideally information is taken from sources that follow the golden rule; that is, sources that are reliable, independent of the subject, and significantly covers the subject.
While I have a slight bone to pick with Wikipedia for what it's concerned about, the encyclopedia is concerned that the information can be verified from reliable sources, not the absolute truth. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:57, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And, to add to what Tenryuu says, "blessing" by the governing body is not required: in fact it is totally irrelevant. If reliable sources said something significant about the organisation which the governing body really didn't want repeated, it could and possibly should still go in the article. ColinFine (talk) 21:27, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying this. I would myself be interested in whatever any “reliable sources” would have to say. That said, I wonder how you assess “reliability”. LotsOfStrings (talk) 23:44, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are links in my comment above that will take you to the relevant pages, such as Wikipedia:Reliable sources. If a source you want to cite isn't on the list of perennial reliable sources, you can ask at the reliable sources noticeboard. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Access

How do I access the Wikipedia website for answers to questions ? Stephen Sasz (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Stephen Sasz: Please see the replies at the help desk, and don't ask the same question in more than one place. RudolfRed (talk) 00:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second DYK

I'm trying to nominate Weise's law to DYK again after it achieved GA status, but when I attempt to put it through the wizard, it rejects it, saying that the page already exists, which is from its first nom. When I go to edit that page, there's a warning about not editing below the line, which is where I would put the new nom. What should I do to nominate it a second time? Thanks in advance! ThaesOfereode (talk) 00:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ThaesOfereode: It was a DYK as a bold link on the main page in March. You cannot nominate again for five years. See WP:DYKNEW RudolfRed (talk) 01:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I knew I must have been missing something. Thanks! ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:25, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

clothing

How can I improve my article clothing? `The week-long hour` (talk) 04:35, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The clothing article isn't "your" article. You introduced formatting errors, punctuation errors, and other unexplained changes. That edit you made wasn't an improvement. Maybe start by reviewing Wikipedia:Manual of Style and the various documents in it, which will be a long task. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Related guideline: WP:Page ownership. (Maybe you made an assumption because this may be your topic of interest?) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 05:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:TUTORIAL may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Splitting off parts of two articles to make a third. Some questions

I suggested splitting off the history sections of Gay literature and Lesbian literature into their own article (something like History of LGBT literature) back in February because of the size of their history sections, but never went through with making a full proposal due to a combination of not knowing how and some difficulty staying logged in to the site. I've decided to try to come back to that and have read WP:Split but I'm still confused. Specifically, my questions are how should I format the split template, and where should the central discussion for this take place? I assume that since it involves two articles being split to make a third merged one, it shouldn't just be on one of their talk pages, should it?--Lover of lgbt literature (talk) 06:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lover of lgbt literature.
If you have a discussion anywhere, then you can post an appropriate notice on other talk pages directing people to that discussion but I would suggest that in this case the central discussion belongs on the talk page of the LGBT studies WikiProject. If you were to go there then the template would look something like {{Split section|History of LGBT literature|discuss=Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies#Discussion Title}}. Does that help? -- D'n'B-t -- 07:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Thanks. I don't have time right now, and I have an appointment tomorrow, so I'll propose that over the weekend.--Lover of lgbt literature (talk) 08:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding my Article got declined!

Hi,

I just wanted to know how an article can be tagged as its sounds like an advertisement, I need to sort out my writing style, My recent article got declined because of this even though I tried my best to keep it as simple as possible! Meena1998 (talk) 07:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@DoubleGrazing Meena1998 (talk) 07:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Courtesy link: Draft:G Square Realtors Pvt Ltd
Hi @Meena1998: the problem isn't so much the writing style, but rather the content. Your draft merely describes what the business does, including very specifically what projects it has worked on, the awards it has won, its CSR initiatives, etc. While I can understand that's what the business would like to tell the world about itself, we have no interest in that. We want to see what independent and reliable secondary sources have said about this company, and in particular about what makes it noteworthy, rather than just another ROTM business. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I Understand, I took an existing article as a reference to write this one, only difference is that they have not added any projects and CSR activities, If I remove those content will it be Good to go? Meena1998 (talk) 07:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Meena1998: as mentioned already, we need to see what independent and reliable secondary sources, entirely of their own volition, have chosen to say about this business. If you can find multiple (3+) such sources, and summarise (in your own words, but without any additional commentary or embellishment) their coverage, then it may be possible to have an article on this subject accepted. Can't really say much more than that, without seeing what you come up with. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:03, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Meena1998, five awards are listed. Three aren't sourced at all, and a fourth is sourced to a mere PR vehicle. I haven't looked at the fifth, but I'll assume for a moment that it's reliable. So in this section, reliable sourcing is running at an unimpressive 20%. -- Hoary (talk) 09:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, minor awards - those that are not themselves Wikipedia articles (Academy, Nobel, etc.) can be listed but do not contribute to establishing notability. David notMD (talk) 12:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bug report?

Is there a place to submit bug reports for editing? I’m using Firefox on iOS 15.1 and am unable to add links to an article on mobile. Ju1c3machine (talk) 09:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ju1c3machine, welcome to the Teahouse. It's probably not a bug. You can ask for help here. Give the link, article and say what happens. Omit https:// if you cannot save the link here. If it happened multiple times then just give an example. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone assist in creating articles about Heenok.com?

I want to know more about this company, how they started and their current state....can someone assist in creating a wikipedia article? Davidy556 (talk) 11:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could try over at Wikipedia:Requested articles, but I can see you already created a draft in your sandbox in May; this draft has subsequently been deleted as advertising (correctly, imho, as the page was written in very promotional tones). As you seem to be very intent on this being an article: do you have a conflict of interest? Lectonar (talk) 12:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Davidy556 Teahouse Hosts are here to advise, not be co-authors. David notMD (talk) 16:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gregg Bissonette

I made a few edits to Gregg’s page. As of now he is currently Modern Drummers reader poll winner. For people wanting to know about him, that’s important current information about his accomplishments. So that being the first thing people read would be a smart addition. Is there a way to keep that info at the top being that it is a current highlight in his drumming career? Thank you, Mike Mike Drums (talk) 11:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Drums Your two attempts at additions to Gregg Bissonette were reverted because you did not provide a verifying reference. You were informed of this reason on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In this set of edits, you added Gregg Bissonette has the well-deserved honor of being Modern Drummers current, 2023, readers poll winner of the Best "All Around" drummer category. How is this so important that it must precede the introductory sentence? How may the reader verify this? Who says that it's well-deserved, and where do they say it? In this set of edits, you added Gregg Bissonette has the well deserved honor of being the current, 2023, Modern Drummer readers poll winner in the Best All Around” drummer category. Same questions. -- Hoary (talk) 12:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Hoary. Thanks for the feedback
If I change the wording and can figure out how to add verification (don’t know how to do that currently) can it be placed at the top being that it is current information?
Thank you,
Mike Mike Drums (talk) 13:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mike Drums The lead is not the place for new information. Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section. Shantavira|feed me 13:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mike Drums There are detailed instructions for citing your sources at WP:CITE. You are proposing to edit a biography of a living peron for which we have very strict sourcing/citation requirements (see that link). You should place the new material about the award in the relevant section of the main article and only repeat that in the WP:LEAD if it is one of the most important of his accomplishments. The fact that it is the most recent is not relevant. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Mike Drums. To add to what Mike Turnbull has said: no article should ever refer to anything in evaulative terms such as "well-deserved" in Wikipedia's voice. If a reliable source, wholly independent from the subject, has referred to the subject in such terms, it may be permissible to include a direct attributed quote. ColinFine (talk) 21:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

help with posting first article

Hi all! My recent submission was rejected and I have no idea why - please could someone give me some guidance. I am really not sure why this has happened. EmmaKendrickCox (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @EmmaKendrickCox. To put it bluntly, your sandbox draft was a promotional advert for Russell. Wikipedia is not a place to promote people. Your draft would be suited for an About Me page on his personal website, but not an encyclopedia.
How are you connected to Russell? Qcne (talk) 15:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there - I am sorry about that. Russell is someone I know, he's done incredible work in the entrepreneurial space and boosting the economy in Scotland. I was under the impression that because of his philanthorpic work and his work with uplifting the economy this was within the guardrails. EmmaKendrickCox (talk) 15:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EmmaKendrickCox You have a conflict of interest, so you should check WP:COI to understand the requirements.
Wikipedia articles must be about topics that pass our notability policy, in this case WP:NPEOPLE. We require multiple published reliable independent sources to establish notability. Russell may be notable if he has been reported on in aforementioned sources, so if you want to try again please carefully read your first article. Qcne (talk) 16:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thank you 2C0F:F4C0:2203:740C:A10B:64B5:A259:E83 (talk) 16:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@EmmaKendrickCox The draft in your sandbox will shortly be deleted. It seems to be an attempt to be a biography of a living person called Russell Dalgleish. However, it cites no sources, which is against Wikipedia policy for biographies of living people. As such it can never be accepted as an article. If you intend to try again with a new draft, please follow the procedure described at WP:AfC after having read this page about conflict of interest and this essay about creating articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK question

Hello, I am a frequent editor but new to DYK. I just rewrote Theatre Development Fund which used to be exceptionally promotional and changed everything in the article (save for a some references here and there) so that it complied with WP:PROMO, such that only a very small amount of the former prose remains. While the article is not necessarily "new", it was significantly improved in my opinion, I think it is also new since most of the prose is new. My question is does this merit the nomination of the article for DYK (ie. would it be taken seriously) although does not technically fall under the "new" article category, GA, or five-fold expansion categories? Any feedback on the article would be greatly appreciated (such as if everthing I did was unneccessary)!! Thank you, P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 16:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P,TO 19104 MY experience with DYK is that rules do not allow article revisions, even major, to qualify under the "new article" description. David notMD (talk) 16:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@David notMD: Ok thank you that was what I was wondering. I won't move forward with the nom then. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 16:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be possible for Wikipedia to stop changing appearance?

As a decades-long user of Wikipedia, I don't know what inspired the recent changes to the site's appearance. First, the Table of Contents became a sidebar, and now it assumes a large browser-window -- at least when javascript is not used. (Disabling javascript allows me to run lean, when carrying out extended research.) If it ain't broke, why fix it? 2604:3D08:7070:1500:FAB1:56FF:FE9B:B422 (talk) 17:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you're referring to the new Vector skin that was released in 2022. You can see this for more info. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 18:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I get the impression that the developers are continuing to make changes to the Vector 2022 skin. If you create an account, you can choose a different skin, such as legacy vector 2010 (the default before the new vector came out). RudolfRed (talk) 02:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, both, for the replies! It must be ongoing mods, since the annoyances started over __only the past month__. I'll consider using my account, if it helps && it does not expect javascript. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3d08:7070:1500:fab1:56ff:fe9b:b422 (talk) 14:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map of state highlighting a county

 
Map of West Virginia highlighting Fayette County
 
Map of Maryland highlighting Talbot County

Something has happened to the Wikimedia Commons state maps highlighting a county. The maps used to show the entire state and its counties, with the highlighted county in red. Now, the map of the state, and all the counties except the highlighted county, is gone. Examples are the maps in the InfoBoxes for Battle of Charleston (1862), Battle of Cove Mountain, Battle of Droop Mountain, Battle of Fayetteville (1862). There are others. All of these maps used to show the entire state divided by county. The state was white with borders in black. The highlighted county was a solid red. Now, the only thing that appears is the red part. Looking at only the file "Map of West Virginia highlighting Fayette County.svg" in WikiMedia, it says the English version is used in over 40 pages. What happened? Will it be restored? TwoScars (talk) 17:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I certainly hope so. The current map is remarkably useless. Maproom (talk) 19:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see it's been fixed, with the comment "neuter the clipping path". Maproom (talk) 06:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has been bugging me. It still appears as such on my end on the linked pages. Oddly enough it started with this new redesign. 2604:2D80:D503:3700:AF70:7991:DFAD:B637 (talk) 10:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a post on Commons:Graphics village pump called Map of state highlighting a county. Evidently, the SVG file source does not validate and does not work on modern browsers. Someone has fixed Fayette County, but basically all of the states have the problem. Other West Virginia counties such as Kanawha County, Pocahontas County, and Hardy County have not been fixed. Also noticed Wythe County, Virginia needs to be fixed. Also noticed Talbot County, Maryland needs to be fixed. TwoScars (talk) 15:44, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be mentioned in the Khiam article?

"Israeli attacks target Lebanon’s Khiam Lebanon’s state-run National News Agency reports that two attacks have been carried out by the Israeli army on the southern Lebanese town of Khiam, which abuts the country’s border with Israel. Video verified by Al Jazeera shows large plumes of smoke rising from the village a short while ago." - from the al jazeera life feed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khiam

Do we wait on it, or should it be mentioned? (Trying to be very careful with this because contentious topics notification)

75.142.254.3 (talk) 17:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added one sentence to the article, based on the Al Jazeera source and the BBC. I think it's WP:DUE, but someone can revert if they have good reason, of course. Cremastra (talk) 19:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to indicate that there is a no citations or a lack of it

Hello, I am working on a page about John Candy and thought it would be a good starting point. I noticed that many sentences lack citations, and some citations present do not fully support the corresponding statements. How should I indicate these issues? HeavyMetalTheMovie (talk) 18:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Simple: With {{citation needed}} after statements, or {{unsourced}} atop whole articles. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 18:22, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove italics from an article title

Hello, there is a consensus on the talk page of Lego Ninjago to remove the italics in the article title. Unfortunately, we don't know how to do this. Please can anyone advise? Thanks! Fieryninja (talk) 18:39, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to fit Lego Star Wars. There was a second infobox further into the article that was forcing an italic title. Template:Infobox media franchise, if you're curious. Happy editing. :) JackTheSecond (talk) 19:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Courtesy link: Talk:Lego Ninjago § italics
kemel49(connect)(contri) 19:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply] 

Why this article is rejected

This draft article is rejected for having references from a single source.but i don't know why this excuse was given as it has already cited many sources.can any body help me with this.
--kemel49(connect)(contri) 18:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't rejected, it was declined. If it was rejected, the message would have said so, and this means you should not pursue further attempts to publish it. But because it was declined, that means the reviewer thinks it may have potential but it still needs improvement before it is deemed acceptable for publication in article space. It wasn't declined for having a single source, it was declined for not citing reliable sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is reliable sources if cited sources are not much reliable.there are several big news agencies websites also cited.please correct me if i am wrong there.
--kemel49(connect)(contri) 19:13, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have magazine articles but they aren't archived online. OK to use for citations?

I reached out to several people who were involved with the production of the media I am making an article about. One responded and this person provided to me several magazine pages and clippings. Although I haven't extensively looked online yet (I'd like to ask in advance), I don't know if they could be found in an online database of magazine articles. Is it still okay to use them for citations? WindowColorCenter (talk) 20:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with a collection of clippings is they won't necessarily have provenance. There's a big difference between "a clipping from my collection says XYZ", and "an article from issue #420 of Generic Magazine (June 1999, page 65) says XYZ", even if the clipping is the article.
If you can provide bibliographic information for when and where the articles were published - even if they're not online yet - we should be good. DS (talk) 20:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DragonflySixtyseven Thank you, that's the info I was hoping to find. That comes across hopeful on my end. Alright, I'll put my best into getting something together. WindowColorCenter (talk) 20:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can not access sources from pop-up while in visual editing mode

It just started happening today. I can access it while reading, but when I am in visual editing mode, I can not access the source from pop. For eaxmple, Texttext[1]. If I click on [1], normally I can click the URL from the pop up and visit the site, but this isn't working anymore. Graywalls (talk) 20:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, I logged out, started the browser in Incognito and launched the visual editor without logging in to eliminate my user preferences or cookies as being a possible cause. Hyperlink for references still doesn't work in the reference context menu while in visual editing mode. Graywalls (talk) 21:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like WP:ITSTHURSDAY. @Trizek (WMF), has this been reported yet? WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:47, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Help needed

I just found out that San Francisco Bay Area Chef and KCBS Radio personality Narsai Micheal David has passed away at the age of 87. the source website is https://www.audacy.com/kcbsradio/news/local/remembering-kcbs-food-and-wine-editor-narsai-david . Could someone please add this to his Wikipedia page since I am not wiki-literate when it comes to editing. Thanks in advance. SFTEXFAN (talk) 20:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that website is obnoxious with the pop up ads, but it looks like this is proper verification so I'll add it in. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 21:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Done. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 21:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I make a Wikipedia article for a subject with an article that already exists?

I'd like to make a new Wikipedia article however there is no red link for creation because pages with the same name already exist. I'm sure there is a simple answer but I can't find one ! Thanks so much WindowColorCenter (talk) 20:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By creating a page with a disambiguator in the title. For example Guillotine is about what you would expect it to be about, as the main topic, while Guillotine (band) is about a band by the same name and Guillotine (wrestling) is about a wrestling move. More detailed information is at WP:DAB. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 21:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I will do that with the article I am making! WindowColorCenter (talk) 21:18, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Account security question

Does changing your Wikipedia's account password sign you out of other sessions/devices? If not, how else to secure account if under the suspicion it's hacked? Bzik2324 (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you saying that your account was hacked? 331dot (talk) 21:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fairly certain that if you change your password, then log out, you are logged out on all WMF sites using unified login, which is pretty much all of them. I would echo 331dot's concern as well though, what makes you think you may have been hacked? Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 21:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot No... it's just out of curiosity, just in case. Bzik2324 (talk) 21:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Accounts that appear to be hacked or otherwise taken control of by someone other than the creator are generally blocked, see WP:COMPROMISED. 331dot (talk) 00:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do I need to use citations in my lead?

Some of my citations I think are more prevalent to the body of the article and have more appropriate placements than in the lead. Is it required to use citations in the lead when if used there it'd be redundant? WindowColorCenter (talk) 21:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WindowColorCenter:, Not required. Although, sometimes it's desirable to add solid reliable sources if it's something particularly contentious. Check out MOS:LEADCITE Graywalls (talk) 22:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Graywalls thank you. Once I have the article pushed out I'll look into this in more depth! WindowColorCenter (talk) 23:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I need information from my wikipedia page urgently removed.

An article was posted today on my Wikipedia page that infers that I was involved in plagiarism. The instigator of this matter reached out to the Publisher of the text indicated that the issue lied with them and not me as the Editor and author. Please remove this content urgently as it is damaging to my name and reputation. I am now seeking legal counsel for the instigator of this matter. Simone Badal (talk) 23:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Simone Badal: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you wish to pursue legal action be forewarned that your account will most likely be blocked and you will be unable to effect any changes from this account. I strongly suggest you recant the legal threat and discuss this on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You know, as often as I've read that, I find it difficult to believe that if someone deliberately posts false and slanderous material in an article here about a living person (I'm not saying that's necessarily what happened here), that living person wouldn't have some sort of legal recourse--at least against the person who published the lies.— Preceding unsigned comment added by AzseicsoK (talkcontribs) 23:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I remove content from my page

I would like content posted to my page today removed as it is in violation of Wikipedia's policies and disparaging to me as the content is unfounded. Simone Badal (talk) 23:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Consolidating similar questions on Simone Badal-McCreath (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion opened at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Simone Badal-McCreath following Talk:Simone Badal-McCreath#Allegation and User talk:Graywalls#Simone Badal-McCreath. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 09:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At Simone Badal-McCreath the disputed content is currently removed. The discussion at BLP Noticeboard supports this. Ditto article Talk page. David notMD (talk) 13:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tea Party / Tea Article

Come here for a tea! How about the tea article? Highway Helper (talk) 23:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tea, Teahouse and Wikipedia:Teahouse are separate entities. David notMD (talk) 13:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How do I edit the Charles Darwin page?

I want to edit the Charles Darwin page but see that there is a note saying I should go to this page if I want to do that. Please could someone explain how I should proceed. The edits I would like to make are described below.

It should be made clear that in "The Origin" Darwin attributes several adaptions to what he calls "use and disuse" which involves the inheritance of acquired characterists which is a component of Lamark's theory of evolution. Currently the article mentions that three of Darwin's contemporaries (Robert Grant, Ernst Haeckel and Herbert Spencer) held Lamarkian views. It also describes one of Darwin's notes as dismissing as absurd the Lamarkian view of progression to higher forms. This strongly gives the impression that Darwin had discarded Larmarkian thinking which is wrong. Darwin argues for Lamarkian evoutionary mechanisms in "The Origin" and even more so in the later editions and other subsequent published material.

It should also be stated in the article that Darwin did not understand that natural selection was responsible for species conformity (stabilizing selection) and this led him to articulate, in "The Origin" a confusing theory about the nature of variation.

These two issues (which in fact I think are intimately related to each other but I will not explain why here as that is my personal opinion) are interesting and noteworthy and by including them in the article will give a fuller, more balanced and more interesting account of Darwin.

User:Gourdiehill — Preceding undated comment added 23:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gourdiehill: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not seeing anywhere in Charles Darwin that's instructing editors to come to this page. If you have edit requests to propose, please do so at Talk:Charles Darwin. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tenryuu: Semi-protected pages display this message to autoconfirmed users (of which Gourdiehill is one):

Note: This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, please visit the Teahouse.

This message is defined at MediaWiki:Semiprotectedpagewarning; the link to the Teahouse was added in MediaWiki talk:Semiprotectedpagewarning § Protected edit request on 21 March 2020 and criticized in MediaWiki talk:Semiprotectedpagewarning § Teahouse line. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Jlwoodwa and @Tenryuu. I did not realize I was an autoconfirmed user. I have now read the link about what autoconfirmed users can do. @Gourdiehill Gourdiehill (talk) 21:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is about Lamarck, with a "c". 36.52.59.48 (talk) 08:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gourdiehill: You could start by posting something similar to the above at the article talk page (Talk:Charles Darwin). The chief concern will be to consider what reliable sources say about the issue—there are a lot of very reliable sources regarding Darwin and what they say regarding Darwin/Lamarck should be echoed in the article. Johnuniq (talk) 09:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Johnuniq. Thanks. I will take your advice and post my comments on Talk:Charles Darwin. I totally agree about the need for reliable sources and will include references for the two points I want to make. Gourdiehill (talk) 21:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What could I add to fix my page?

Hello! I made a Wikipedia page for an album last night. I entered it in for submission and it got declined. Does anybody know what else I could add in to get it approved? I worked very hard on it. You can see the reason for decline at the top of the page, and here is the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:MSI_B-SIDES_vol._1

Thanks! Foxiko (talk) 23:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Foxiko: Welcome to the Teahouse. Nothing in the draft establishes any wikinotability the album may have. The sources you're using are generally considered unreliable; you're better off finding better ones, particularly those that don't have user-generated content. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:14, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for responding! Unfortunately, the album only came out yesterday and there are no news articles about it. I have added every reference I could find to the page. I still appreciate your response, though! Have a nice day! Foxiko (talk) 01:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, this sounds like a case of a subject that's too soon for Wikipedia. There's nothing wrong with letting it incubate in draftspace (drafts are deleted after six months of inactivity) and seeing if there's more talk about it in a few months' time. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:41, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for letting me know! If it gets declined again, I'll let it stay in drafts :) Foxiko (talk) 03:13, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

iPhone

I need help fixing my phone a person came on here lying saying this was there phone an they are all over my phone listening to my conversation an has me as kid on my own phone 174.213.161.65 (talk) 23:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the help site for creating and editing Wikipedia pages, not iPhone. I hope you can get your issue resolved soon! Foxiko (talk) 23:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How to prevent the Wikidata template from returning multiple values?

Hi Teahouse!

I was trying to figure out why one of the boxes in Comparison of Java virtual machines said "Error: first parameter cannot be parsed as a date or time." From what I figured out, Template:Start date and age was unhappy because it was getting multiple values from Wikidata:

{{Start date and age|{{wikidata|qualifier|Q16928072|P348|P577}}}}

The inner Template:Wikidata was looking up the item Q16928072 (GraalVM), the property P348 (software version), and then the qualifier P577 (publication date). It seems that a bot came along and marked an older "software version" as preferred. The last added "software version" was also marked as preferred.

The command {{wikidata|qualifier| is meant to return a single qualifier, but because there were 2 preferred "software version" properties, it retrieved 2 "publication date" qualifiers, like so:

20 November 2019; 13 June 2023; Error: first parameter cannot be parsed as a date or time.

The versions happened to be out of date, so I tried my hand at updating the Wikidata item. I also unmarked the bot's preferred ranking. For now the box correctly reads:

16 April 2024; 2 months ago

Does anyone know how to use Template:Wikidata to only choose the most recent date, regardless of preferred ranking? I don't know if my solution is the most robust, since another bot could reintroduce multiple values. Blepbob (talk) 00:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

According to Template:Wikidata/doc § cite note-fm-2, the single configuration flag should do what you want. jlwoodwa (talk) 08:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
single does limit the result to one, but I'm not sure if it supports sorting the dates by latest. For instance, if there are two preferred software versions with different dates, it seems to just pick the date for the first listed version.
Ah well, maybe the template doesn't support what I'm trying to describe. Thanks anyway. Blepbob (talk) 10:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Information Regarding the sources/references given to the articles.

Can I use this source in my Wikipedia article?[2]

Ig not , than how can I find out the source is unreliable for Wikipedia.What WP:RAJ is? Roberthooke003 (talk) 01:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Roberthooke003: You can use {{Cite book}} to cite that book in an article. That WP shortcut you link appears to be some user's essay. RudolfRed (talk) 02:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So can I use the source in my article? Is that not a WP:NOTRS, is it a reliable source? How can I check weather it's reliable or not? Roberthooke003 (talk) 02:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. The reliable source noticeboard is the best place to ask about reliability of sources. Note that the reliability of a source depends on many factors, including precisely what information the source is being used to support. A book from a reputable publisher more than a hundred years ago may be a very good source for some things, but I would be dubious about what an English (presumably) writer in the 1920s had to say about sensitive cultural issues in seventeenth century India. ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've found a suspicious "volunteer" article reviewer and want to know what to do.

I can provide screenshots and have a problem believing this account reviewing things is a human trying to promote education. How do I submit this issue to a human? Thank you for your help RoseAliceD (talk) 02:44, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All editors on Wikipedia, including all article reviewers, are (unpaid) volunteers from Wikipedia's point of view (though a relatively small number are paid by subjects to create articles on those subjects, and a small percentage of that number follow all the rules and succeed). You'll have to be more specific about what you think the problem is. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 151.227.226.178 (talk) 04:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoseAliceD If you are referring to the comments on your two-sentence draft Draft:Entheogenic Research, Integration, and Education (ERIE), I suggest you continue to improve it, noting the comments made by the reviewer and following the helpful links therefrom. If you're referring to something else, please be specific and add a link. Shantavira|feed me 06:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What an extraordinary accusation! Your draft has zero indication of passing any of our criteria for notability and was correctly declined. Theroadislong (talk) 07:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:RoseAliceD: User:SafariScribe declined your draft as not establishing the notability of its subject, and left a template at the top explaining this. Any competent reviewer would have done the same. Maproom (talk) 07:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging SafariScribe, since it's not very nice to discuss people behind their backs Even if you are accusing them of being non-human. -- D'n'B-t -- 07:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is in all round called incivility by accusing another editor of WP:UPE or promoting a specific article. I don't see any serious issue here but will require to see the screenshot @RoseAliceD is talking about. It now make me feel this editor has a relatable WP:COI issue and should be declared. This is really a great insult to me. Thanks Theroadislong, Shantavira, and Maproom for answering the editor. @DandelionAndBurdock, you did well with the ping. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 08:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RoseAliceD, you submitted a two sentence piece of junk that is nowhere near being an acceptable encyclopedia article, and you chose to attack and insult the volunteer reviewer, a human with feelings, instead of improving the draft. Is that the level of excellence taught at the San Francisco institution you are writing about? By the way, please fully and accurately describe your connection to the entity called "Entheogenic Research, Integration, and Education". Cullen328 (talk) 08:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well please look at Safari Scribe's talk page before you insult my writing. Someone else commented that they were doing something suspicious on their talk page and you're assuming that they are a human with feelings, not some kind of scam. Please do me a favor and have a look at their talk page. RoseAliceD (talk) 13:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And I am a student in the Bay Area who has considered a program at CIIS, which they are connected to. RoseAliceD (talk) 13:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SafariScribe is an experienced draft reviewer, also active in moving flawed new articles to draft ('draftify') and nominating articles for deletion. Declining your (completely inadequate) draft was normal procedure. You next proper step is to either attempt to improve your draft before resubmitting or else asking that an Administrator delete it. Continuing to attack SafariScribe will likely lead to your account being indefinitely blocked for incivility and not being here to contribute to the encyclopedia. David notMD (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You demonstrated a similar pattern of attacking an editor who was reverting your edits, as evidenced in the March 2024 entry on your Talk page: "...as I think you have a personal bias and will find some fault in anything I do because of that bias." David notMD (talk) 14:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have looked at SafariScribe's talk page I cannot see where anyone commented that they were doing something suspicious. -- D'n'B-t -- 14:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
RoseAliceD, please be aware that Safari Scribe has over 23,000 edits and has never been blocked. You, on the other hand, have 45 edits, and are persisting in attacking the other editor without evidence, which is a violation of the well-established behavioral guideline, Assume good faith. We are interested in evidence instead of groundless suspicions. You have offered none of the former and plenty of the latter. Cullen328 (talk) 15:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is ridiculous and it's not letting me send a screenshot. I said what I did in the "GOOD FAITH" of trying to make the internet safer. I'm about to delete my account because people won't stop attacking me for it. Without a screenshot, I direct you to Safari Scribe's Talk page. Look at what they say about themselves! If doesn't make sense for someone who is not fluent in English to be editing in English and other people have commented on this. Wow. RoseAliceD (talk) 15:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see no evidence they aren’t fluent in English and they certainly aren’t giving any evidence here that they aren’t. Regardless, there are many levels of language ability - and obviously SafariScribe speaks well enough English to reply to concerns and discuss with other editors - so whether they are fluent/native or not, their contributions are welcome.
You need to stop attacking SafariScribe and others with baseless accusations RoseAliceD - your draft was not in a position to be approved, and the decline was correct. You have three options - either review guides on how to appropriately contribute articles and work on it then resubmit, choose to work on other articles/subjects (updating them, adding relevant missing information with reliable sourcing, etc) before returning to try again on this topic once you understand Wikipedia better, or give up.
I don’t think anyone here wants to see you give up. But if your response to a disagreement/outcome you don’t like is going to be to attack those you disagreed with, then you likely will not find yourself welcome here. Wikipedia is a collaborative project and making baseless accusations against others and/or useless comments about their personal attributes aren’t appropriate. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 15:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stop talking about the draft. This has nothing to do with the draft. I don't understand why people won't look at this objectively but I'm not going to look at any more of these ridiculous comments. If you were as smart and observant as I am, you would understands. This is what I get for trying to make the internet safer and sharing concerns completely SEPARATE from any other issue! You must be so selfish that if it were you, the issues would be intertwined and can't imagine any other motives. Sad! RoseAliceD (talk) 15:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a discussion about fluency here, bought up by Thebiguglyalien who was suggesting that SafariScribe was overstreching themselves with good article reveiws while not at native level fluency. Which was an entirely reasonable suggestion. But the leap from non-native fluency to "suspicious", "some kind of scam", not "safe" is entirely by you, RoseAliceD. -- D'n'B-t -- 15:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't bother to read that because it's most certainly abusive and I'm just here to tell you not to bother attacking me anymore because I have everyone who has gone after me in The Tease-house blocked. RoseAliceD (talk) 15:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RoseAliceD: Please provide a diff of where other people have commented on SafariScribe's fluency in English. I fail to see how haranguing SafariScribe is going to make the Internet safer. I strongly suggest you remain civil, as comments like If you were as smart and observant as I am, you would understands [sic] can be construed as personal attacks. I recommend you desist and work on your draft so that it becomes acceptable for mainspace, which at the time of writing this it definitely isn't. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's best to continue this discussion at ANI as it's entirely out of scope from the Teahouse. -- D'n'B-t -- 16:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Note: OP blocked for being not here to build an encyclopedia. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 09:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closing a merge

Can i close the merge at Talk:List of current Iran governors-general#Merge the Articles of Some Governors General to This Article If so , how? AlexBobCharles (talk) 09:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, by following the instructions at WP:MERGECLOSE. I've taken the liberty of closing the merge for you; seems straightforward to me. (Full disclosure: I also undid the nominator's edits of your comments (!!) before closing; hope you don't mind those reversions.) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 10:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you AlexBobCharles (talk) 10:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will including this story in an article run up against BLP?

This article is the only sourced piece I can find about this possible controversy: https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/b1a1jn00hc, in the interests of not violating BLP, is this substantial enough for inclusion in the Gili Raanan article? Smallangryplanet (talk) 12:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Smallangryplanet Calcalist seems to be a valid source, although it has not been discussed at WP:RSPS. The article is quite long and clearly Raanan knows about it since it includes comments from him. Thus I think it is valid to include material from that article provided you do so neutrally and without undue weight. In particular, I would avoid using the word "controversy": The article is critical but does not seem to be trying to be controversial. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:59, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense! Thanks very much @Michael D. Turnbull. Smallangryplanet (talk) 14:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Review edits on article Chosen Hill School

Please review my edits on Chosen Hill School as i attempted to remove unnoatable and promotive content. Snipertron12 Talk 13:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything to review. It looks fine that you removed original research and promotive content. You also helped attract another editor, @SafariScribe, to the article. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 20:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was reading a wikipedia article on the great recession and clicked a link for housing bubble and content regarding Madonna appeared. How do I report that inappropriate link? 96.230.231.165 (talk) 14:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP editor. Please do so here and someone will take a look at it. Just provide a Wikilink to the article where you found the issue (and the precise place you clicked if the article is a long one). Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:19, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article seems to be Great Recession which mentions housing bubbles in several places. I can't currently see the issue being reported. Can you specify the section or citation number, please, IP editor? Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:23, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I cannot find a problem with the link now. The link is working correctly now for me. There were also other links that also went to the same Madonna page. 96.230.231.165 (talk) 14:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If several different links took you to the same dubious page, the obvious thought is that it is your browser which was compromised. Are you now using a different browser or device? ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saddle Tramp vs Cowboy

While creating the subject article Mesannie Wilkins (Last of the Saddle Tramps), I realized there was no article I could link that defined what a "Saddle Tramp" actually was: Saddle Tramp. WP states: "A saddle tramp is a nomadic cowboy" and links to cowboy; which is incorrect. A Saddle Tramp is specifically "a person who wanders from place to place on horseback." It even equates itself to modern times for a person who does not drive a car and has no shame in asking for a lift: "I had to take that saddle tramp home from work again today." It has nothing to do with herding cattle from one territory to another for months at a time. Obviously WP would benefit from the correction by creating an article for "Saddle Tramp"; however, how would I go about dealing with the disambiguation page already created for the term Saddle Tramp? Would I redirect the page to Saddle Tramp and head the article with: "For other uses, see Saddle Tramp (disambiguation)"? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 15:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That seems like a reasonable course of action. Since the definition of "saddle tramp" would be the primary topic, the existing disambiguation page can be defined as such with the (disambiguation) after it. Same logic is defined at WP:D2D. Reconrabbit 15:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Maineartists Note that Wiktionary does have an entry for wikt:saddle tramp with a definition agreeing with you. Hence you could use that on DAB pages and elsewhere. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Reconrabbit and Mike Turnbull! Maineartists (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eloise R. Weld information

I cannot find information about author, Eloise R. Weld who has two books: "Engagement" and "Ring of Gold" (1978) which is a sequel to her first novel, 'Engagement"

Book cover info on back jacket cover about Eloise R. Weld says: Eloise R. Weld grew up in the world about which she writes. She and her husband live in New York and have a farm in Pennsylvania where they raise steeplechase horses and cattle. RING OF GOLD is a sequel to her first novel, Engagement.

Can information about her and her books be included in Wikipedia? Logan-713 (talk) 15:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no article about Weld. You could attempt one via WP:YFA, but new editors are strongly advised to gain experience improving existing articles before trying to create one. David notMD (talk) 16:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Logan-713. Only two books? Weld would need to meet the criteria outlined at WP:NAUTHOR, which does not appear to be the case. Shantavira|feed me 16:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
However, there may be enough reviews to help an article on Engagement (Weld novel) (draft) pass AFC and WP:NBOOK (per a quick glance at Newspapers.com via WP:Library). Since Library is only available for longstanding accounts with 500+ edits, I'll take care of that topic for you soon, @Logan-713. I promise I'll remind you about it! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 03:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing my school by adding my credentials to the notable alumni section

How can I add my name and creentials to the notable alumni section of my school? Bpal43 (talk) 16:17, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bpal43 Welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you do not do that unless you have read and fully understood our WP:ALUMNI policy. Shantavira|feed me 16:27, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there is a Wikipedia article about you, your name should not be added to a notable alumni section of a school's article. Exceptions include referencing to reliable source references the information that establishes your notability. David notMD (talk) 17:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request For Help

Hi. I apologize if I am posting this request for help in the wrong place; I'm doing so because I have been blocked from all the other Wikimedia sites, and when I try to write to the person who has blocked me, I receive messages that I have been blocked. This seems to have originated at Wikisource, and I have never made any type of edit to Wikisource. The edits I've made over the years are few in number and have always been constructive.

There are two entities that have blocked me: 1) User:Jan.Kamenicek, and 2) Something called Epic, which has blocked me until 2007; the page in which Epic announced that I am blocked seems to have disappeared now, but I am still blocked.

I have not made any edits to any Wikimedia sites in recent history. On the few occasions that I have made edits to Wikipedia, I have done so while logged in to my account name, "Enactataph". My edits have always been constructive. 

Again, I have never made any edit on Wikisource. This is what Jan Kamenicek determined:

This IP address is currently blocked. The latest block log entry is provided below for reference:

If Jan Kamenicek and Epic had messaged me about some concern about an IP address, we could have happily clarified the matter by email. I tried to do so, but I seem to be blocked everywhere but here.

I followed the administrative and help links associated with the blocks imposed by Jan Kamenicek and Epic, but these links led to further messages that I was blocked and could not write a message or ask a discussion question. Therefore, I'm writing here, as it's the only source I can access.

Thank you for your consideration and any help you can suggest about this matter.

Sincerely, Enactataph Enactataph (talk) 16:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • User:EPIC, how's your day going? Drmies (talk) 16:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the ping. To answer Drmies, I'm doing well and my day is going the same. As for the issues with the global block, which block are you affected by? The /32 range you have specified is not globally blocked, but I see two /64 ranges which I blocked four days ago. I don't know which of them, but in either case, if you are still affected, please email us at stewards wikimedia.org with the relevant information and we will assist you. Regarding the enwikisource block, the block was placed on a large range, meaning it can be expected that it will affect some innocent users. I've tried force creating a local account for you, since the block only affects anonymous users, meaning you should be able to log in and edit there if you want to. EPIC (talk) 17:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jacksonville Int'l Airport sourcing issue

Hello. Go to above article, scroll down to statistics, then Annual traffic, reference #38. It will not go to the pdf, however, right above Annual traffic, in Statistics, Passenger traffic, click reference #37, goes to the exact PDF that I want. I typed in the url exactly the way it is from that section but it doesnt link up to it. Hope you can fix it. Thanks and have a good day.Theairportman33531 (talk) 16:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Theairportman33531 Both those refs are giving me 404 errors. I think you have the URLs wrong as I can find the same info at the Internet archive. Note lack of final "s" and presence of "www". If the two references you want to use are to the same .pdf, then you should use one named reference . Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I used the url from the Internet Archive and both now go to the PDF that I want. Thanks for the lead. Have a good day.Theairportman33531 (talk) 17:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about how articles are written

Hello,

Should the articles be written in the passive or active voice..in terms of grammar? Is there some sort of policy that covers this information? Normanhunter2 (talk) 18:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All articles are to be written in a neutral point of view. You can read more at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view but more specifically at WP:VOICE. Thank you, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 19:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether a sentence should be written in active voice (Critics overwhelmingly praised the film...) or passive voice (The film was overwhelmingly praised [by critics]...) depends heavily on context, which may be why the manual of style (MOS) doesn't really say anything about it directly. MOS tends to advise on matters broadly applicable.
Some style guidelines may affect which "voice" to use—as well as how to resolve conflicts between editors who prefer one over the other—but I could talk all day and night in the general and yield very little useful or actionable info. If you have a specific sentence, please feel free to quote it and name the article it's in. Hope that gives you a starting point. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Totally aside from any Wikipedia policy on that, @Normanhunter2, there's general agreement among grammarians that the passive voice just isn't as engaging and magnetic for readers as the active voice. It sets up a distance between the writing and the readers. It's rare today to find journal and news articles written in the passive voice — not to mention advertisements! Even in the academic world, where the passive voice used to be common, it's less and less so.
But come to think of it, I just realized that there actually can be a connection between the passive voice and something Wikipedia discourages: weasel wording (MOS:WEASEL) ... at least, if the passive voice is used to give vague attribution: "where a statement is dressed with authority, yet has no substantial basis." Augnablik (talk) 16:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question

20 years ago or so I advertised to find someone to help edit and improve my Wikipedia page. I did not know that that was a terrible idea to pay someone. Editing people at Wikipedia reacted strongly. Some sort of senior editor stepped in, and I wound up with a very short page. Now that I am 80 years old, it is time to beef up that page; Nicholas Lore. I am not capable of doing this myself, and I doubt if I will be able to find someone who can volunteer to do it. That means I need to pay someone. How can I do that? How can I discern who is reputable? Just to say a bit about myself, My number one book has been in the top 1/5 of one percent on Amazon Amazon for 24 years. I was one of the pioneers of your organic farming field in the 70s. Etc. etc. Is there a way to find a reputable person to write my Wikipedia page? How would I go about doing that? Gangalo (talk) 20:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Courtesy link: Nicholas Lore Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 20:20, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Northamerica1000 actively edited the article back in 2012 and is still an active editor. On that person's Talk page you could ask if the person is willing to add new information and references, with you offering to provide your proposed text and properly formatted references. Your new content cannot be what you know about yourself, but rather be limited to what can be verified by reliable source references published by people with no connection to you. The fact that you book sells at Amazon does not belong in the article. If you were influential in 1970s organic farming, that will require what people other than you having written about you. References are not required to be internet-accessable. David notMD (talk) 22:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the content created back in 2011 (available at View history), for example Personal life, may be salvaged, but only if references are available. David notMD (talk) 22:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Great guidance. 96.255.136.81 (talk) 14:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gangalo Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it is not technically against Wikipedia policy to pay someone to edit pages, even pages that are about you or about a topic that you have a conflict of interest (COI) with. However, there are rules and regulations governing what you, and the person(s) you employ as editors, must do if you decide to engage in paid editing: please read WP:PAID. Even if you are not paying someone to edit Wikipedia, you are required to disclose if you edit pages that you have a COI with, such as your own biography article; for those rules, please see WP:COI. While I advise you to read both pages thoroughly, a high level summary is that you are required to:
  • Disclose any paid editing and any COI's. One easy way of doing the latter is to edit your user page and add the template {{Connected contributor}}, with appropriate arguments, to the page. Similarly, any editors you employ should use {{Connected contributor (paid)}}.
  • Generally avoid editing COI articles directly; though I believe it is not technically against the rules to do so per se, it is strongly advised that you instead submit edit requests on the talk page of any article that you wish to edit, using the template {{Edit COI}}, at which point other editors will consider effecting your suggestions.
Again, I suggest you review the policies that I have linked thoroughly yourself; the summary I have provided here is only done out of courtesy, and should not be taken as comprehensive or definitive in any way.
As for your questions about how to find a reputable person to help you write your Wikipedia page, I am afraid that I cannot be of much help there, and I am skeptical anyone else will be of much service to you here either. I would just advise that you employ the same sorts of general common sense when looking to contract anyone for any job: see if you can find a reputable merchant with verifiable positive reviews and a history of client satisfaction. I actually do know of several agencies which do this sort of work on Wikipedia but I have not worked with them and thus it would not be ethical for me to suggest them here, but Google is your friend—just try to be discerning and skeptical, as there are also scammers out there.Brusquedandelion (talk) 03:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Brusquedandilion. You have cleared up much of the uncertainty for me. 96.255.136.81 (talk) 14:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again. First of all, what a cool name. I imagine your mom did not name you brusquedandelion. But it is unforgettable! Gangalo (talk) 11:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Vif12vf repeatedly reverting my contributions

User:Vif12vf has been constantly reverting my contributions to pages pertaining to pakistani political parties. I have made constructive updates to the articles and he immediately proceeds to inexplicably revert them, and now he is threatening me and accusing me of vandalism. AgentDuck11 (talk) 21:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AgentDuck11: Don't engage in an edit war. You have been warned several times about adding images to various pages. I have not looked at those images, but you should stop and discuss it with the other editor. RudolfRed (talk) 21:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AgentDuck11: I'll second the recommendation not to edit war. If someone is reverting your edits, stop and discuss it rather than persisting. Your edits are not vandalism, but the the images you are uploading to the Commons are not being appropriately attributed. Looking at the files you have uploaded (take File:Aam Awam Party Flag.jpg for example) you are indicating "own work" under the source. Since the flag is not your work, it is not appropriate to upload it in this manner. You need to indicate where you got the file with evidence that it is in the public domain or under a creative commons license. Until you have that figured out, I suggest that you stop uploading images. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
what if i created the flag myself in an editing software? AgentDuck11 (talk) 01:04, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AgentDuck11: I think it would only count as your work if you created the design. But here, from what you said, it seems you are just manually copying it. For someone more experienced in this matter, you should get advice on the Commons. Commons:Village pump/Copyright would probably be the place it ask. Be advised, though, any files that are copyrighted will need to be deleted. That may be the case with some of them since at least some of the pages you edited are using their current images under fair use. Wikipedia allows images to be uploaded under fair use in some instances, but the Commons does not. TornadoLGS (talk) 02:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a fan of how these things are handled here at WP. First, I clearly see an editor who has made it their mission to track another editor by following article by article, edit by edit, and revert without leaving either an informative History Summary or a sensible Talk Page reason to help educate the editor from continuing their incorrect manner of editing. WP fails more often than naught to educate rather than revert and move on. Vif12vf left a slew of "Template" warnings on AgentDuck11's Talk Page here: [3]. All this does is say what the editor did wrong and tells them to "reference this" for more information. I call this lazy editing and non-productive assistance at WP. Helping not only goes a long way, but 9-out-of-10 times, it prevents future incorrect edits. AgentDuck11 went to Vif12vf's Talk Page [4] and started a conversation with them (albiet a bit brusque); and all they were met with was everything they did wrong and a threat: "...and may also get you banned for poor personal behaviour!" Not one bit of offering to assist. At least TornadoLGS used the voice of reason: "From appearances, it seems that AgentDuck is not acting in bad faith but is simply ignorant of how to handle proper attribution or copyright. While their response was not WP:CIVIL I don't think this editing counts as deliberate vandalism." The above editors should be equally holding Vif12vf accountable for constantly tracking / following AgentDuck [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], this goes on and on. (Ironically, this is not the first time Vif12vf has been accused of an edit war: [12]. [13].) There must be some WP policy against this behavior; and certainly a better way for an editor to handle this situation. It doesn't solve anything. It just leads to more confusion and outreach for discussions like here. Maineartists (talk) 03:19, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Maineartists: I think your observations are quite salient. Fabrickator (talk) 09:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Maineartists: WP:BITE is the closest thing I can think of. Outside of obvious vandals and promotion-only accounts I do try to clarify on any template warnings I give. TornadoLGS (talk) 18:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for being a voice of reason. AgentDuck11 (talk) 19:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. There's an article Bolivian wine. And I see in Spanish wiki, there's an article as well (Vino de Bolivia). When I try to link them I get this error: The link eswiki:Vino de Bolivia is already used by Item Q2880868. You may remove it from Q2880868 if it does not belong there or merge the Items if they are about the exact same topic.

I checked the page in eswiki. The "Languages" section is empty. Aredoros87 (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aredoros87: For future reference, such issues should be posted to Wikidata, not here. Anyways, the issue seems to be that Wikidata:Q2880868 and Wikidata:Q122496960 are duplicates. This can be solved by merging them, which it appears someone just went ahead and did a few minutes ago. So the issue should be fixed. However, I am still not seeing this reflected in the list of language links on either language's Wikipedia. It is possible this takes a bit of time to propagate, so check back in a bit. There's apparently a spike in Wikimedia errors right now (see here) so that may be related. Brusquedandelion (talk) 22:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot. I see they're linked each other now. Aredoros87 (talk) 18:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Aredoros87. The "Languages" section was empty in es:Vino de Bolivia because it was the only article in its Wikidata item Bolivian wine (Q2880868). The English Bolivian wine had its own Wikidata item Bolivian wine (Q122496960) where it was also alone. I have merged the two Wikidata items so the articles should now or soon link eachother. Wikipedia is partially down at the moment and I cannot check it. Updates may also be delayed. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much! Aredoros87 (talk) 18:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have recently received a notification in my talk page that there is policy of extended confirmed protection regarding the contentious topic. I have seen there are many pages that lack such protection despite pertaining to the contentious topic, I would like to inquire whether a user without extended privileges can edit such a page or not. Considering that he does not enter any dispute in this case. Tribol (talk) 21:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Tribol: If your account is not extended-confirm, then you may not edit the article if the WP:ECR is in effect, even if the page is not protected. You may use the talk page to suggest edits. RudolfRed (talk) 21:51, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What if nobody responds on the articles talk page? Whats the ruling then. Tribol (talk) 21:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing changes. Work on something else instead. RudolfRed (talk) 21:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would also like to ask, the procedure in case of an article regarding the contentious topic, will the AfC procedure remain the same? Tribol (talk) 22:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You cannot create a new article. Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles. You really should work on something else. Wikipedia has more than 6 million articles, many of which need improvement. Don't focus on areas you can't help in yet. RudolfRed (talk) 22:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to add that if you do find pages that should be under ECP per the sanctions, a request should be placed at WP:RFPP. This seems to be the case mainly for newer articles or ones that have otherwise escaped notice. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tribol, as to the wording of your section header, these restrictions are the exact opposite of "arbitrary". They are carefully crafted to manage the severe disruption from both sides that has affected this topic area for many years, and the are widely supported by experienced editors. Cullen328 (talk) 02:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that, I am new please forgive me if I make any mistakes Tribol (talk) 15:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any template like {{redirect-distinguish-multi}}?

Is there a template that combines {{redirect-distinguish}} and {{redirect-multi}}, such that the output text reads something like "A and B redirect here. Not to be confused with C." If no such template exists, does anyone have advice on how to create such a hatnote? Brusquedandelion (talk) 22:11, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Brusquedandelion. You can write anything with {{Hatnote}} but such a hatnote would very rarely be appropriate. What is your use case? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter I would like the page Dravidianist to redirect to Dravidian nationalism, as Dravidianism already does, as, generally, a Dravidianist is a subscriber to the ideology of Dravidianism, aka Dravidian nationalism. However, Dravidianist may mistakenly be mixed up by people with Dravidologist (presently a redirect to Dravidian studies, because a Dravidologist is a scholar of that field), and so I would like the hatnote to say "Dravidianism and Dravidianist redirect here. Not to be confused with Dravidology." Note that I have yet to create Dravidianist as I am trying to figure out how to resolve this first. Brusquedandelion (talk) 03:43, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Brusquedandelion: "Dravidianist" and "Dravidianism" are so similar that there is no need to mention both in a hatnote directing to the same article. Just say:
Everybody sees the same hatnotes no matter how they came to an article. Readers arriving via "Dravidianist" can also use this hatnote to find their target. Hatnotes are a distraction to everybody who is already on the right page so they should be brief. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What am I doing wrong?

I am having a hard time understanding how to make my draft better so the page will be approved. I'm trying to write about a grocery store that I feel is very important to local history. I have submitted my draft three times.

Initially, I was relying on some online news sources that might not have been the greatest. However, I feel that my most recent draft has really strong sources. I found about half of the sources on the school databases. (I am a high school teacher.) I think that I cited those correctly, but maybe I am wrong? Am I allowed to use those sources even though I had to use my school account to access them?

Or maybe there are other reasons why my page keeps getting rejected? Bdicoccosix (talk) 00:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Bdicoccosix and welcome to the Teahouse.
This draft, right? Draft:Green Hills 1
I looked at the sources and, to me, many of them contain enough promotional language, as well as quotes from store's officials, that I'm reluctant to see them as the sort of coverage that meets the requirements for business notability. But your draft has not been rejected. When a draft is declined, the notice is supposed to indicate ways in which it can be improved. The notice can be fairly generic, though, so this is probably best interpreted as "you need better sources".
There is nothing wrong with using sources that require a subscription or that you found via databases. You appear to be properly citing the original publications, even if the URL links sometimes go to an aggregator or database provider. — jmcgnh(talk) (contribs) 01:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Bdicoccosix, and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at Draft:Green Hills 1, It seems to me like you've chosen to write about a local business that, like millions around the world, simply doesn't meet our Notability Criteria. At a quick glance, all your sources appear to be either from insider business websites, or are from local news sources. Please read WP:NCORP to appreciate that a business needs to have been written about by major, mainstream media in quite some depth and detail before we can accept an article about it. Inevitably, there will be inumerable trade magazines and press releases that talk about and promote these local businesses. But what we need to see is real national interest and coverage shown by unconnected media in that company. If you can provide at least three major (i.e. national) news stories that have described this business, then you might stand a chance. I fear that, at present, it doesn't yet meet our notability criteria. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for taking the time to get back to me. I do appreciate that Wikipedia tries to draw a firm boundary so that businesses cannot promote themselves on Wikipedia; rather, businesses only exist on Wikipedia if they are "notable." However, I actually really do think that Green Hills Farms is notable, but I will continue to research.
I do understand your points about the local news articles. However, I thought that these sources really demonstrated the notability of the store:
Clark, Ken (December 2005). "Pointing to loyalty: Green Hills' latest strategy brings kiosks and biometrics to the forefront". Chain Store Age. 81 (12): 136. Retrieved 2024-06-21.
Turcsik, Richard (June 2004). "At a Syracuse, N.Y. independent, their roots are showing: from a humble roadside farm stand, Green Hills has developed into one of the most admired grocers in America". Progressive Grocer. 83 (9): 46+. Retrieved 2024-06-21.
Again, thank you for your help. This is my first time attempting to create a page, and I appreciate the learning process! Bdicoccosix (talk) 02:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT CONFLICT Hi there, Bdicoccosix. I just wrote to you on your Talk Page and tried to break down your article content with specifics explanations; basically mirroring what Nick Moyes just wrote. Hope it helps! Maineartists (talk) 01:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Late autoconfirmed

I have been on for five days and have 111 (now 112) edits, and yet it doesn't say I am autoconfirmed. I have double-checked that I am not on Tor and not on IP block exemption. Since today started three hours ago in UTC, do I need to do the ten edits during today and in the following days, or is something else at play? Apollogetticax (talk) 03:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Apollogetticax: your account isn't yet four days old. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How? I started on June 18, and in UTC it is June 23. Apollogetticax (talk) 03:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Apollogetticax: It's more specific than just the date. Your account was created at 22:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC). So you'll be autoconfirmed at 22:37 on the 23rd, UTC. It's currently 03:35, so you've got about a day to wait. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:35, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So basically, I've been waiting for two days with false hopes of achieving Twinkle? Anyway, thanks. (no sarcasm assured) Apollogetticax (talk) 03:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Apollogetticax: Special:CentralAuth/Apollogetticax shows your account creation in your time zone setting at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. The four-day requirement means 4×24 hours so whichever time zone you use, it's the same time in the same time zone four days later. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What constitutes a "conflict of interest" claim?

My creation of the page "Phil Thompson (Musician)" Draft:Phil Thompson (musician) was turned down because of what was called a "conflict of interest."

I do not work for Phil Thomspon, and only created the page when I wanted information on him from Wikipedia and found such a page does not exist. Wadesola (talk) 07:43, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article was "draftified"; the draft hasn't been turned down. Just guessing here, but perhaps the quantity of unreferenced material was what led to a suspicion of personal knowledge (and thus COI). 36.52.60.225 (talk) 08:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wadesola We have a policy that, for biographies of living people, is applied particularly strictly. As that link explains, any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by an inline citation to a reliable, published source. So, for example, your "Early life" section currently has no such source and that alone is grounds for the draft being declined. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Im looking to write an article about every town and village which currently has a red link in the Gloucestershire region. Is there any page i can create? Snipertron12 Talk 10:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Snipertron12 Could you clarify your question? I don't see any redlinks in Template:Gloucestershire (click to view). Shantavira|feed me 10:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Im talking about missing articles for villages/towns in Gloucestershire. and not to be rude, please dont say (click to view), i've been on Wikipedia for a month by now. - Snipertron12 Talk 10:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Theres a number of redlinks in List of civil parishes in Gloucestershire. I guess you can start with whichever one you're able to find some good info for. Hanham Abbots for instance, seems to have a few interesting buildings [14] [15] which is one place to start. (and there's many images to chose from) -- D'n'B-t -- 10:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've finished making all the pre-1974 district pages.. are you proud of me.. Snipertron12 Talk 11:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am certain that someone at WikiProject Gloucestershire will be. -- D'n'B-t -- 15:55, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. We need help to converse us in en.wiki

All my claims coming to ru wiki!( Very hard to read opinion of another people, that don't know who is me and they are failure by this and all.) I need Wikipedia page and in another wiki resourses. Thank you that I see this teahouse!!oh of course! LaurenSummer (talk) 13:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LaurenSummer I'm not sure what you're trying to ask, but please don't call others 'failures'. See WP:AGF. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 13:23, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think she's asking why Lauren Summer isn't the subject of an article on any wiki. By 'failure' she may mean various wikis have articles about people who aren't as notable as she is or aren't as 'successful'. Valereee (talk) 13:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh... that makes sense. @LaurenSummer, please see WP:AUTO and why writing about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you are notable, someone else will likely create an article about you sooner or later. If you think certain articles don't meet notability guidelines, please point them out, and we will fix them. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 13:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you is not en.wiki if don't realise writes to work with Wiki. good bye. I wrote about this to House of Lords if you have mean about. LaurenSummer (talk) 13:42, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure how 700 people in red robes can help, but I don't think your English is good enough to edit here. Have you considered editing in your native language? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 13:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
yes. but this is ok. I am not from IT truelly LaurenSummer (talk) 13:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a Government. I just don’t understand why many zones obscure my service and our admins can’t find us. we have our own admins. LaurenSummer (talk) 13:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 13:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I assume the topic-starter is trying to say that she has paid the outside sources to write an article about her on Wikipedia (as mentioned by the users below, this is quite a popular type of scam promoted in the post-Soviet countries and the associated wikis) and now her management team (???) cannot find the pre-paid non-existent article on Wikipedia. HartOve (talk) 14:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so excuse me. I understood. I am very sorry. We work to Clear media and want faster LaurenSummer (talk) 13:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I answered. higher LaurenSummer (talk) 13:51, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your responses are unintelligible I'm afraid. Theroadislong (talk) 14:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
curprev 21:34, 17 October 2020‎ Crazy hat royal talk contribs‎ 306 bytes +306‎ ‎Created a new Item: Lauren Summer, American model thank (restore)
we mean here not en.wiki by law protect LaurenSummer (talk) 17:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so admins can see Zadonsk only if they are from russian villages. sorry so reapeat 2016 and the big destroy. After right converse,delete this chat please, en.wiki !! tour visa n.1 and refreshed case and id by this. We cannot looked as something from outside. LaurenSummer (talk) 17:43, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hm. Per [16] it looks like you paid to have an article created about yourself? I'm afraid you were scammed. Valereee (talk) 14:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think so too. This type of fraud is common in post-Soviet countries. We have w:ru:Википедия:Служба клиентской поддержки for some cases. Lesless (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The IP that created the Wikidata item geolocates to Zadonsk, Russia. Valereee (talk) 15:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
user has been blocked. Theroadislong (talk) 18:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
hmm, I didn't know where Zadonsk was ) well, a user with an IP from Zadonsk only edited the Wikidata element. But User:Crazy hat royal created it. Lesless (talk) 19:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Note: OP blocked for being not here to build an encyclopedia. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 09:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Should I request a page protection or an IP range block?

I have been dealing with a persistent IP user adding unsourced content with poor grammar with foreign-language, unrelated, useless and/or absurd edit summaries at Gosains. The IP keeps changing slightly and the user has been warned many times, but the edits are almost completely the same every time. The IP user has also made edits to other pages like Sannyasi rebellion and Yogi Nath. While it seems they have ceased editing the Sannyasi rebellion page, Yogi Nath was last edited by the user (and quickly reverted) yesterday as can be seen here.

I wonder what the correct action would be here, request protection against IP edits on Gosains and Yogi Nath, or request an IP range ban? I know wikipedia generally wants to keep pages free to be edited by IPs, but a range ban could also hit a lot of innocent IPs.

What do more senior editors recommend? 

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 13:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Speederzzz Please use the page WP:AIV to report this but read carefully the instructions at the top as page protection is only used for current, persistent vandalism where IP blocks may not be effective. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Speederzzz: From what i recall, WP:AIV recommends warning the user on their talk page until they reach their final warning, which is a fourth warning in total. You have already warned them once on their talk page; I suggest posting a second warning. Based on how they are not communicating and ignoring all the reverts, they would hit the 4th warning before long and be appropriate to report at WP:AIV. Any further sockpuppetry after block would clearly be block evasion and fall under grounds for block on sight. Lunar-akauntotalk 17:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They've already hit a 4th warning on one of the older IPs, I've stopped warning for the most part since they keep changing IPs. I'll go to WP:AIV to try to get this sorted, thanks for the advice.
Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 20:33, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, they have. Definitely report to WP:AIV then. Lunar-akauntotalk 02:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone help alter the track titles to bring them more in line with the general manual of style? I'm not so sure because adding romaji or proper spacing for titles makes them too long.
Also, I forgot what it was, but there was something like that that could make the headings in line with the infoboxes? Does anyone know about it? Lunar-akauntotalk 14:03, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Lunar-akaunto. {{clear}} before the headings would make them in line with the infoboxes by adding whitespace above. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter: Thank you. Do you also know how to align the discs with each other? Can that only be done using title_width= ?Lunar-akauntotalk 15:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lunar-akaunto: If you mess with widths then the result can become poor on some screens. You could try <div style="display: inline-block;">...</div> around consecutive discs in the same section but I suggest previewing in both a narrow and wide window. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter: Okay, I'll keep that in mind. Thank you for your help. Lunar-akauntotalk 17:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

I wanna add an article about the coffee chain Zoggis Coffee. Can you please help me with that.

My text

Ziggis Coffee is founded in Longmot in Colorado by Brandon and Carmin Knudsen. The chain has grow to 86 locations in 18 states. There are about 200 locations in the works They serve coffee, tea, smoothies and more. All locations has drive-thru. Mags74h (talk) 17:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mags74h: See Wikipedia:Notability Lunar-akauntotalk 17:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Mags74h, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia.
First, I will advise you that trying to create an article before you have spent some weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works, is likely to be very disappointing and frustrating to you, and to be a waste of your time and others' time. I always advise new editors to not even think about doing this until they have acquired practical experience of fundamental concepts such as verifiability, reliable, independent sources, neutral point of view, and notability. When you have some understanding of all those, then is the time to read your first article and give it a go.
Next, I will ask if you have any connection with Ziggis. When new editors come here and immediately try to create an article about a business, they very often have a connection with the business, and they are very often under the misapprehension that Wikipedia has anything whatever to do with promoting their business or its online presence. If you are connected with Ziggis, you should read about editing with a conflict of interest; and if you are in any way employed or financially involved with Ziggis, you must make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor (see that link for how to do so) - this is part of the terms of use.
Whether you have a COI or not, please note that an article on Ziggis, no matter who writes it, must not be based on the writer's knowledge, but on reliably published information; and most of it on material totally unconnected with Ziggis - not written, published, or commissioned by them, or based on their words (eg press releases or interviews). If the article says what Ziggis wants the world to know, it is probably promotional: Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 18:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CoI question

So this guy is my science teacher's nephew. Do I have a conflict of interest with him? TWOrantulaTM (enter the web) 19:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

your science teacher's nephew? no, probably not, if that's the extent of your relationship with this person. ... sawyer * he/they * talk 19:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TrademarkedTWOrantula Just ensure that anything you add to Wikipedia is derived from independent, properly published sources. Don't attempt to add stuff that you happen to personally know. (we regard that as very unreliable and biased) Nick Moyes (talk) 22:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Getting started on Wikivoyage

Are there any helpful resources for first contributing to Wikivoyage? There are a few things I'd like to update. TWOrantulaTM (enter the web) 20:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a question to ask there on Wikivoyage, not here. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 20:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You might find Wikivoyage:WV:Arrivals a good place to start. ColinFine (talk) 20:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick question

Is the word "probably" appropriate to be used in articles? I think it sounds unencyclopedic and gives off the feeling that the article doesn't know what it's talking about. I tried looking for the word in MOS:WTW but it's not mentioned there. — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬✏️ 21:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Context matters, but if it's a fair representation of the sources, I don't see it as a problem. "Likely" means much the same, but isn't obviously better. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:46, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It’s an expression of doubt. MOS:DOUBT shows words that you should watch but the list is not limited to just those words. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 21:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HypeBoy I suppose it'd depend on the context that it's used, sometimes it's because the source material isn't certain and sometimes it's because the editor isn't certain. I've personally used a couple examples, like when an exact date of something isn't certain but it's known that it occurred either before or after a specific date. CommissarDoggoTalk? 21:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, Cowboygilbert, and CommissarDoggo: I appreciate the quick response, y'all. So it depends on the source material at the end of the day. Thanks! — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬✏️ 22:02, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HypeBoyAbsolutely. We follow what good quality sources say, not what we might ourselves think. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nick Moyes: Sure! It's just that you can't really find a good quality source for writing style inside Wikipedia outside of the site. — ‎‎‎hhypeboyh 💬✏️ 23:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Authority Over Semi-Protected Pages

Who has the authority to approve/deny edits on a semi-protected pages? By what process are these select people people given this authority?

Does each semi-protected page have a unique group of administrators with approve/deny authority? Or is that authority given to editors of a certain elite status who can then approve/deny across a range of Wikipedia's semi-protected pages?

Are administrators with this approve/deny power cycled in and out of authority over specific pages? Is their authority over a specific page infinite or time-limited? Amlans (talk) 22:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amlans Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm guessing that these questions were prompted by a particular experience? It might help to know what that is. See the protection policy for more information.
Who can carry out an edit request depends on the type of protection involved. If the protection is to prevent all but admins from editing the article, then only admins can carry out a request. If the protection is extended-confirmed protection(account is 30 days old with 500 edits) then those editors can do it. If it is just semi-protected, (account is 4 days old with 10 edits) then those editors can edit it.
Administrators or editors are not given authority over specific articles; people choose which articles to participate in based on their own personal criteria or interests. Articles are not assigned to anyone- volunteers choose to participate in what they wish. 331dot (talk) 23:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: I think this is related to the now-hatted edit request and related discussion at Talk:Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory#Sources to Consideration re: antisemitism and conspiracy theory labeling RudolfRed (talk) 23:13, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarification. I provided more detail in my response to @RudolfRed. Evidently, I overestimated the site's friendliness towards everyday people. I wasn't prepared to be going head to head with seemingly professional Wikipedia editors! Way out of my league. Appreciate the guidance. Amlans (talk) 01:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Everyone was like you at one point. They got to where they are now through experience, learning, and time. 331dot (talk) 08:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Amlans: Administrators have the power to protect or unprotect pages, but they do not adjudicate content disputes. Any editor with autoconfirmed rights may approve or decline a {{Edit semi-protected}} request. If your request is declined, you should discuss it on the article's talk page to get consensus for the suggested change. RudolfRed (talk) 23:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is indeed about discussions on that article's talk page. Including, but not limited to, the one you mentioned.
Aside from my own attempts to engage in conversation that have been shut down, deleted, and/or collapsed, the archives show a long history of this same thing happening time and time again to anyone who attempts to engage in a way that suggests editing is needed for POV, impartiality, bias, etc. For years now. Any good faith attempt to reach consensus through discussion is totally out the window.
The reason I posed this question on this page is because the archives also show that this status quo, in part, seems to be maintained by some users who are committed to monitoring this article for this very reason.
Over and over and over again, for years, some of the same people are deleting, denying, shutting out, bullying. I was curious to know if there is any legitimacy to this. I'm not an experienced editor on here and felt compelled to edit specifically because I was so shocked by the state of the article when I stumbled upon it. I'm now even more shocked to find how powerless the average person like myself is in the face of what appears to be some sort of editing hierarchy. Had no idea the site was like this. Amlans (talk) 01:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Amlans, deletion, denial and exclusion can, in certain circumstances, be the entirely right thing to do. But I can't imagine how bullying can be. Can you please point us to one to three specific, recent examples of bullying? -- Hoary (talk) 04:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In what cases are deletion, denial, and exclusion of/from attempts to have discussion on possible edits appropriate?
Amlans (talk) 05:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a ferinstance, an editor may brightly say that the heliocentric view of a spherical Earth and the flat Earth theory are just ... theories, so if an article is going to explain its subject -- not a historical matter but instead, like tides, one of physics -- from the former viewpoint it should do so from the latter as well. Sensible response: anyone proposing that in the 21st century is either stunningly uneducated or a troll; it's not worth discussion. As another: an editor may be demanding the insertion, or reinsertion of a matter for which they cite a single source that, the talk page has already agreed, is uninformed, mistaken, confused, seriously outdated, or defective in some other way. ¶ So, about the bullying? -- Hoary (talk) 06:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can I use WP:RFPP to request a page be salted?

The title is the whole question lol 24.115.255.37 (talk) 01:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ok 24.115.255.37 (talk) 02:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Creating Draft without the article wizard

What to do if you created a draft (like Draft:Edsel Galeos) without the article wizard, and how to add the AFC templates? TheNuggeteer (talk) 04:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheNuggeteer you can place {{subst:AfC draft}} on top of the draft. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 05:06, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you; TheNuggeteer (talk) 05:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LTA from jawiki

Does it matter if a user is a known LTA from another wiki? Northern Moonlight 07:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's best to assume good faith; perhaps they are turning over a new leaf, or perhaps reports are not what they seem. If they haven't changed their ways, that will soon become apparent, and if it ends up at ANI, you could raise ja-wiki issues as background information at that point. But I wouldn't prejudice someone honestly trying to start over with a clean slate at a new wiki by raising it without any evidence of wrongdoing at en-wiki. Give it time; hopefully they'll become a productive editor here. Try starting out by leaving them a Welcome message on their Talk page, if they don't already have one. Mathglot (talk) 07:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which tools can I use as autoconfirmed?

I am an autoconfirmed user who would like to know which tools (like Twinkle) I can use, which are not dependent on Wikipedia's sister projects. Apollogetticax|talk 07:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Apollogetticax and welcome to the Teahouse. There are lots of tools, gadgets, etc on Wikipedia. I suggest you read WP:TOOLS and maybe also take a look at WP:AUTOC. Shantavira|feed me 08:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contesting the deletion of pages

Hello I got an email from someone trying to save a Wikipedia page I wrote ... I have just edited and updated the page as well contesting the deletion of the page via the page itself ... I have no idea why the page is scheduled for deletion (no reasons given) Here is the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Taylor_(singer-songwriter) Be great if anyone has any ideas Sean Taylor Songs (talk) 08:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sean Taylor Songs the article wasn't 'scheduled for deletion', but rather nominated at AfD by another editor. You are free to participate in the discussion, where you can see the nominator's rationale and others' comments. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 08:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If I understand right, the only sources cited for this are from the publisher of his recordings. These would not be disinterested. Where is the material from disinterested sources? -- Hoary (talk) 08:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) There was indeed a reason given. The deletion request at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sean Taylor (singer-songwriter) states Doesn't meet WP:SINGER. Most references from same minor blog, some other interview on Google but all promotional. You know this because you had already posted to the deletion discussion. before you opened this thread. You may not agree with the reasons, you may not have read or understood WP:SINGER, or the AFD may decide that the concerns are not sufficient to warrant deleting the article, but please don't waste our time by claiming that no reasons have been given.
And the article is not "scheduled for deletion". The article is being discussed at WP:AFD. It will not be deleted until and unless that discussion concludes that the article should be deleted. Another editor has already found some addtional sourcing that provide some support for keeping the article. You stated in the AFD that I received an email from someone working from Wiki Crafter saying the page was scheduled for deletion. Ignore it. That's a scam from someone trying to get you to pay them to work on the article. If they claimed to be able to influence the decision to keep the article they are not being honest. See WP:SCAM, WP:PAID and Wikipedia:List of paid editing companies#WikiCrafter. They should be reported to [email protected] :Meters (talk) 08:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beecoin

Dear Wikipedia Team, I hope this message finds you well. I recently submitted an article detailing the origin, development, and functions of the cryptocurrency Beecoin. Unfortunately, it has not been published yet. The purpose of my article is to provide accurate and comprehensive information about Beecoin, as well as to introduce the FQS team, which has three years of distinguished experience in the crypto industry and has developed this cryptocurrency. Beecoin has been launched as a Web3 Telegram bot, offering users exciting opportunities to earn through games, music, sports predictions, and watching videos. I believe this article would be a valuable resource for users and enthusiasts of cryptocurrencies. Could you please provide the reasons for the article not being published? This will help me understand the necessary adjustments and resubmit the article accordingly. Thank you for your attention and cooperation. Sincerely, tomas caroll beecoin team Beeecoin (talk) 08:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose you're talking about User:Beeecoin. I deleted it a few minutes ago as promotional garbage. Do I really need to describe how it was promotional garbage? -- Hoary (talk) 08:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Note: OP blocked for promotion. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 09:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I'm here to ask a small question for situations like this, am I supposed to throw users like this to AIV or UAA? ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I meant: Which of the two am I supposed to prioritize? ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 09:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AlphaBetaGamma I don't think you should "throw users" anywhere. First assume good faith and point out on their Talk Page why what they are doing is unacceptable promotion. That sort of editing is not, by definition, vandalism: it is just a misconception by a newbie about what is acceptable here. If their username is in contravention of policy, then it is OK to raise that at WP:UAA but polite to inform them you are going to do so, and why. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question About Controversies Section

Hello, I wanted to inquire about recent edits to a page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GetGo_(carsharing_company), in particularly the newly added "Controversies" section. Does this section meet Wikipedia's guidelines, and is the section too negative in particular? The entire section is added in by one person, and I don't see similar sections in other related company pages. Thank you. Ronaldowikip (talk) 08:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Teahouse! In my opinion, 6 separate sources on same topic indicates that this is not undue to mention in GetGo (carsharing company) article. What other articles have is not defining policy (see WP:Other. Anyone is welcome to add criticism sections to other car sharing providers. Worth reading WP:Criticism and weaving critique into body of article, for example a section about pricing structure. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 09:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Advice needed on citation of The Malay Dilemma (print book)

I'm currently editing the article for kampong, and I have a concern on the sentence regarding Mahathir Mohamad and the kampong. I wikilinked The Malay Dilemma and added a citation of the book. My edit summary has a note of my concern and what I want to edit soon.

How can I ensure proper citation of a book I am uncertain about? I can't have/borrow/purchase a physical copy (or an authentic digital copy) for the moment. I have a PDF downloaded online but need some other "download/edition consensus".

I do have the ISBN, but I might have trouble in the edition, especially on the page number (or even content itself in cases outside this book I'm concerned about). I'm also considering adding {{Malay name}} {{DEFAULTSORT:Mahathir Mohamad}} in the last-name parameter according to WP:MOSSG and WP:MOS-MY

Would it be more appropriate to ask about the book in a general talk page? Or be more specific and raise this to Wikipedia Malysia communities? RFNirmala (talk) 10:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, RFNirmala. I'm not completely sure I understand the issue, but what I will say is that the important information in a citation is bibliographical information such as author, publisher, title, date: this will allow a reader to get a sense of whether the source is likely to be reliable and useful, and also how to get hold of it if they wish to - eg, by ordering a copy from a major library.
If the work is available online, then it is certainly worth including a link, so that a reader can access it more conveniently; but that is not usually a crucial part of the citation.
Part of the citation will be to assist the reader to find the location of the cited information in the source; so if a page number (in a particular edition) is available, then that is useful to cite; but if not, a chapter or section number of title is enough. (I sometimes cite books that I have in e-book copies, so the "page number" is meaningless: I just give the chapter). ColinFine (talk) 11:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request to Make Edits to My Wikipedia Page

Dear Wikipedia Administrator, I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to request permission to make changes to my Wikipedia page. I have noticed some outdated information and would like to update the content to ensure accuracy and relevance. I understand the importance of maintaining Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and neutrality, and I assure you that any edits I make will adhere to these guidelines. I am committed to providing reliable sources to support the changes. Thank you for considering my request. I look forward to your guidance on how to proceed. Best regards, Ruthisabellafh (talk) 12:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ruthisabellafh could you provide a link to the article about you? You are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, but if you would like to add new information that is supported by reliable sources and is written neutrally, you can place the {{Edit COI}} template on the article's talk page, and another editor may implement the edits on your behalf. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 13:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is NOT "your page" it is Wikipedia's article about your company Foodhub and I removed all the spam links you added. Theroadislong (talk) 15:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ruthisabellafh In Wikipedia, you are considered to be a paid editor, as you want to contribute to the article about your company. Please read that linked page and comply with its terms (involving disclosure) before you do anything else. You can then suggest changes to the article via edit requests on its Talk Page. The edit request link will help format these requests correctly for consideration by a non-involved editor. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On Munira Abdul Sattar Madni

Hi ! I'm looking for informations on Munira Abdul Sattar Madni. She was a major indian performer in the 70s and 80s. She was riding bikes on Wells of Death, and was the biggest female performer in this field. Is there a Wikipedia page on her ? And if not, could I write it myself ? Cheers, Moka38 (talk) 12:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Moka38: Welcome to the Teahouse. There doesn't seem to be an article on Madni, so one could be written about her provided there are reliable sources that establishes her wikinotability. I strongly suggest you go through the Articles for Creation process if you decide to do this. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A distinguished (now retired) educationist/ mathematician. She did her O'level at Tricona (1955-1958), becoming Head Girl. Because of her academic excellence, she obtained a scholarship from the Royal Government of Buganda to do her A'level and Bachelor's degree in the United Kingdom. Following her return to Uganda, she first became Head of mathematics Department at TRICONA, before joining Makerere University where she served as an academic for 35 years, retiring in 2004. She was the first Ugandan woman to get a PhD in mathematics in 1998, and the first woman Director at Makerere University. 41.210.128.182 (talk) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP editor, categories are for existing articles. If you think the person meets notability guidelines, please follow the directions at Help:Your first article and submit a draft for review. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 13:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The proper path would be to create an article about her, then add her name to Notable alumni at Trinity College Nabbingo. David notMD (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm looking for help getting a Wikipedia page created and published.

Hi my name is Estella Dawn (Estella Dawn Music) I'm an independent musician, singer songwriter and producer. I have a fairly strong online presence and would love to find someone willing to help me get a Wikipedia page approved and published. Thank you so kindly. PurpleStarQueenie (talk) 15:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @PurpleStarQueenie. Unfortunately we do not offer co-editing services. My recommendation is to very carefully read through our notability criteria for musicians and our guidelines for writing about yourself.
Please note that most of the paid editing services you can find on Google are scams: Wikipedia will never ask for money in return for publishing an article. Qcne (talk) 16:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are mainspace edits, and how do I get a lot of them?

Could you please clarify what exactly mainspace edits are, where I can find my number (on Wikipedia, not on an external site), and some good techniques to get more? I have 81 (someone told me), and I want 200 to reach the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy. Also, do mainspace reverts count? Apollogetticax|talk 18:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Apollogetticax. Mainspace edits are edits to actual encyclopedia articles, as opposed to edits to behind the scenes parts of Wikipedia, such as the Teahouse. The best technique is to read articles about topics that interest you, and look for ways to improve them. Correcting typographical errors is an easy thing to do. Cullen328 (talk) 19:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can find your number at XTools: Edit count for Apollogetticax. This shows many statistics, but the one you want is under Namespace Totals, in the red "Main" row. XTools is technically an external site, but the "wmflabs.org" domain name shows that it's still run by Wikimedia. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

article Howard Sandroff

I have been trying for YEARS to get someone to update and correct that article. No one has stepped up despite my requests going back more than a decade. I can supply correct information and plenty of legitimate sources (books, articles, web pages etc) why won't someone help me???? 2601:246:5B80:D80:41A0:1B2B:49B1:5767 (talk) 18:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The place to request this is at the article talk page. Four years ago you were instructed to request specific changes or additions to the article by following the instructions at WP:COIREQ. You don't appear to have done so. Please click on that link and follow the instructions. Shantavira|feed me 18:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Talk:Howard Sandroff is the proper place to provide your sources to support the specific changes you want to propose. Make formal Edit requests there, so that other editors are alerted. Don't ask for massive changes in one request. Break your requests into manageable chunks. Cullen328 (talk) 19:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]